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		<title>By: Rock Worship &#187; Archive &#187; Response to a question: Guitar Amp Wattage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rock Worship &#187; Archive &#187; Response to a question: Guitar Amp Wattage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] are so many directions to go in choosing your rig. You can reference my article on guitar amps for more detailed information. Since writing that article, I&#8217;ve landed even more solidly on [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are so many directions to go in choosing your rig. You can reference my article on guitar amps for more detailed information. Since writing that article, I&#8217;ve landed even more solidly on [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Travis Swan</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 14:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Douglas, the line out on your amp should provide pretty decent direct tone to your PA, depending on the model of course.  Here are my suggestions:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Push the line/mic button on your mixer.  A line level signal is MUCH louder than a mic signal - and could be peaking out the mixer channel.  Some mixers have a -20dB pad button as well that&#039;ll really crank that gain back down.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Guitar amps only have woofers, the big speakers that reproduce only lower frequences.  They don&#039;t have tweeters, but main PA systems do, which means if you send a signal directly to a PA that&#039;s meant for a guitar cabinet you&#039;ll get a really funky high end distortion out of the tweeters on your PA.  However, most line outs on an amp or preamp will compensate for this, but if yours doesn&#039;t, you&#039;ll have these issues.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Make things easier on everyone and set up your amp backstage in a closed room or hall or something - crank the volume up to optimal tone, and mic it there.  I prefer a miced tone any day over direct, there&#039;s so much more presence and punch to the sound.  Have your sound person send the miced amp signal to your monitor on the stage so you can hear what you&#039;re doing - and that should solve everyone&#039;s issues.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In response to Derek&#039;s post about stage volume and not being &quot;wusses,&quot; Aerosmith, Pantera, and Led Zeppelin all played huge arenas that had massive sound systems pumping out volume levels way beyond the ability of most of our church service volume levels. Their sound guys were able to overcome the amp sound coming from the stage with the sheer power of the PA.  Most of us don&#039;t have that luxury, and honestly, if you value the hearing God gave your congregation, you&#039;ll turn down a bit from rock concert levels to protect their ears as they come to worship week in week out.  I&#039;m not saying that the volume should be wimpy, but it shouldn&#039;t cause hearing damage.  Also, some auditoriums such as the one I&#039;m used to playing in are designed to pump stage noise out into the room - if the stage is loud at all, the mix in the room gets muddy and no one can distinguish anything.  Give your sound guy a break and crank your amp backstage.  That and protect your ears - they&#039;re the only ones you&#039;ve got, for the rest of your life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Douglas, I hope these suggestions help you - let me know if you have any more questions.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas, the line out on your amp should provide pretty decent direct tone to your PA, depending on the model of course.  Here are my suggestions:</p>

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<li><p>Push the line/mic button on your mixer.  A line level signal is MUCH louder than a mic signal &#8211; and could be peaking out the mixer channel.  Some mixers have a -20dB pad button as well that&#8217;ll really crank that gain back down.</p></li>
<li><p>Guitar amps only have woofers, the big speakers that reproduce only lower frequences.  They don&#8217;t have tweeters, but main PA systems do, which means if you send a signal directly to a PA that&#8217;s meant for a guitar cabinet you&#8217;ll get a really funky high end distortion out of the tweeters on your PA.  However, most line outs on an amp or preamp will compensate for this, but if yours doesn&#8217;t, you&#8217;ll have these issues.</p></li>
<li><p>Make things easier on everyone and set up your amp backstage in a closed room or hall or something &#8211; crank the volume up to optimal tone, and mic it there.  I prefer a miced tone any day over direct, there&#8217;s so much more presence and punch to the sound.  Have your sound person send the miced amp signal to your monitor on the stage so you can hear what you&#8217;re doing &#8211; and that should solve everyone&#8217;s issues.</p></li>
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<p>In response to Derek&#8217;s post about stage volume and not being &#8220;wusses,&#8221; Aerosmith, Pantera, and Led Zeppelin all played huge arenas that had massive sound systems pumping out volume levels way beyond the ability of most of our church service volume levels. Their sound guys were able to overcome the amp sound coming from the stage with the sheer power of the PA.  Most of us don&#8217;t have that luxury, and honestly, if you value the hearing God gave your congregation, you&#8217;ll turn down a bit from rock concert levels to protect their ears as they come to worship week in week out.  I&#8217;m not saying that the volume should be wimpy, but it shouldn&#8217;t cause hearing damage.  Also, some auditoriums such as the one I&#8217;m used to playing in are designed to pump stage noise out into the room &#8211; if the stage is loud at all, the mix in the room gets muddy and no one can distinguish anything.  Give your sound guy a break and crank your amp backstage.  That and protect your ears &#8211; they&#8217;re the only ones you&#8217;ve got, for the rest of your life.</p>

<p>Douglas, I hope these suggestions help you &#8211; let me know if you have any more questions.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-2501</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 03:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Question about micing the electric guitar: I play a Zion Strat thru a Rivera amp and we have grown so much as a church that we were having alot of problems with stage noise ... so I tried to run a line out from the amp to the PA ... but when I do, the amp now as monitor gives me great distorted tone, but the sound through the PA is really bad ... like a broken-up distorted sound ... one guy said he thought the distortion sound was being clipped but we don&#039;t know how to fix it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question about micing the electric guitar: I play a Zion Strat thru a Rivera amp and we have grown so much as a church that we were having alot of problems with stage noise &#8230; so I tried to run a line out from the amp to the PA &#8230; but when I do, the amp now as monitor gives me great distorted tone, but the sound through the PA is really bad &#8230; like a broken-up distorted sound &#8230; one guy said he thought the distortion sound was being clipped but we don&#8217;t know how to fix it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 06:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you guys really need to stop being wusses about stage volume.  I mean, are we playing (Christian) rock?  Sound guys need to deal with it man.  Aerosmith has huge amps, Pantera, Led Zeppelin all had amps on-stage...Sound man: &quot;blend the sound.&quot;  Come on people, really.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys really need to stop being wusses about stage volume.  I mean, are we playing (Christian) rock?  Sound guys need to deal with it man.  Aerosmith has huge amps, Pantera, Led Zeppelin all had amps on-stage&#8230;Sound man: &#8220;blend the sound.&#8221;  Come on people, really.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like Solley&#039;s article, and yes, cookies would be appreciated...  =)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Solley&#8217;s article, and yes, cookies would be appreciated&#8230;  =)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Travis Swan</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is, of course, if your guitar cord is long enough.  Or if you&#039;re wireless.  Oh to be wireless . . .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is, of course, if your guitar cord is long enough.  Or if you&#8217;re wireless.  Oh to be wireless . . .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A note to any sound persons out there:
     when mixing, I always ask Travis to walk down from the stage and listen to how his guitar is sounding out of the PA (if he doesn&#039;t come down on his own). Obviously, Travis knows how he wants his guitar to sound, therfore he is the best reference when trying to EQ it from the board.
     Travis will walk on out, play for a while, then tell me it sounds to harsh, I&#039;ll take out some 2.5-3 kHz out and the process continues.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note to any sound persons out there:
     when mixing, I always ask Travis to walk down from the stage and listen to how his guitar is sounding out of the PA (if he doesn&#8217;t come down on his own). Obviously, Travis knows how he wants his guitar to sound, therfore he is the best reference when trying to EQ it from the board.
     Travis will walk on out, play for a while, then tell me it sounds to harsh, I&#8217;ll take out some 2.5-3 kHz out and the process continues.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Travis Swan</title>
		<link>http://www.rockworship.com/gear/leading-with-guitar-pt-2-guitar-amplifiers/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;More dispersed&quot; sound is generally perceived by the rest of the band as &quot;louder.&quot;  My smaller 1x12 cabs are very directional, and unless you&#039;re standing right in front of them, you can barely hear them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I boost 6k a little to add some presence to my sound - I found the sound guys like my sound a little better that way.  Right around 100~120hz we&#039;ve got major room mud, so I&#039;ve got those almost cut altogether.  Even with those frequencies cut, I have to watch my palm muting right around Bb.  And everything lower than 80hz is rolled completely off . . .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;More dispersed&#8221; sound is generally perceived by the rest of the band as &#8220;louder.&#8221;  My smaller 1&#215;12 cabs are very directional, and unless you&#8217;re standing right in front of them, you can barely hear them.</p>

<p>I boost 6k a little to add some presence to my sound &#8211; I found the sound guys like my sound a little better that way.  Right around 100~120hz we&#8217;ve got major room mud, so I&#8217;ve got those almost cut altogether.  Even with those frequencies cut, I have to watch my palm muting right around Bb.  And everything lower than 80hz is rolled completely off . . .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spot on article!
When mixing, I always shelve the 100hz on guitars.  When playing, I always ask the sound guy to do it for me.  I&#039;ve found that a close, direct mic will &#039;perceive&#039; low frequencies that aren&#039;t necessarily heard when you stick your head in front of the speaker cone.  Also, a guitar really has no business being in the PA subs (boomy, muddy, ruined tone), so this is a quick way to prevent that.
Also... a 4x12 will have the same &#039;real&#039; volume as a 1x12 if the amp is set the same.  The sound is just more dispersed.  However, one really good speaker is more important for tone than 4 pretty good ones, so I&#039;d recommend spending the money to get really, really great speakers, just less of them.  Also, I hate carrying things, so a 1x or 2x12 is much more appealing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on article!
When mixing, I always shelve the 100hz on guitars.  When playing, I always ask the sound guy to do it for me.  I&#8217;ve found that a close, direct mic will &#8216;perceive&#8217; low frequencies that aren&#8217;t necessarily heard when you stick your head in front of the speaker cone.  Also, a guitar really has no business being in the PA subs (boomy, muddy, ruined tone), so this is a quick way to prevent that.
Also&#8230; a 4&#215;12 will have the same &#8216;real&#8217; volume as a 1&#215;12 if the amp is set the same.  The sound is just more dispersed.  However, one really good speaker is more important for tone than 4 pretty good ones, so I&#8217;d recommend spending the money to get really, really great speakers, just less of them.  Also, I hate carrying things, so a 1x or 2&#215;12 is much more appealing.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Matt Heerema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Heerema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think a key point here is being humble and willing to listen to input on your tone and volume.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with everything you just wrote as far as amp recommendations :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David Crowder&#039;s guitar player Solley posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidcrowderband.com/band/solley/images/gearpic.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his setup and some thoughts on Mic-ing a cabinet here&lt;/a&gt;.  Thought it would be an interesting read.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a key point here is being humble and willing to listen to input on your tone and volume.</p>

<p>I agree with everything you just wrote as far as amp recommendations <img src='http://www.rockworship.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>David Crowder&#8217;s guitar player Solley posted <a href="http://www.davidcrowderband.com/band/solley/images/gearpic.gif" rel="nofollow">his setup and some thoughts on Mic-ing a cabinet here</a>.  Thought it would be an interesting read.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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