Comments on: Mark Driscoll On The Future Of Worship Music http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/ Creating music to lead people into God's presence. Music Ministry Production, Performance, Gear, and Theology Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:28:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Adam Swift http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-20356 Adam Swift Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:49 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-20356 <p>As a sidenote, i feel that worship songwriters should have most of their work inspired from the Bible. I am very happy that the Glory Revealed projects were done for the church to use as worship. The songs they produced are amazingly effective to congregational worship, knowing that the song is the very eternal words of God placed into song. Absolutely great songs have come from those two projects, and i urge other worship songwriters to do the same thing as they are impacted by passages they read in their Bible. Also, i am only seventeen, and even i like hymns! I think some of the best songwriting the church has had is inside the old pew hymnal. I feel that a lot of the new worship leaders are throwing out the old completely instead of finding ways of making the words of those old hymns be effective to younger congregations.</p> As a sidenote, i feel that worship songwriters should have most of their work inspired from the Bible. I am very happy that the Glory Revealed projects were done for the church to use as worship. The songs they produced are amazingly effective to congregational worship, knowing that the song is the very eternal words of God placed into song. Absolutely great songs have come from those two projects, and i urge other worship songwriters to do the same thing as they are impacted by passages they read in their Bible. Also, i am only seventeen, and even i like hymns! I think some of the best songwriting the church has had is inside the old pew hymnal. I feel that a lot of the new worship leaders are throwing out the old completely instead of finding ways of making the words of those old hymns be effective to younger congregations.

]]> By: Adam Swift http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-20355 Adam Swift Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:24:20 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-20355 <p>I agree with Pastor Mark here. Worship leaders that lead congregational worship today are sometimes leaning too hard on the new style of music out there and forgetting that it is about the worship, not the style. On top of that, writing your own music for your church is extremely helpful to the church body. When worship songs are written to fit a particular theme of the teaching that the lead pastor provides, the congregation can find it easier to worship and respond to the teaching they have just heard (or have been hearing). However, the quality of the song should be a good reflection of the creativity of God. It is not acceptable to spend very little time on writing a song, having it sound awful and have simple lyrics that turn out to be just another "prom song to Jesus". When you offer your art to the church it should be kept in mind that you are in fact reflecting a characteristic of God Almighty...creativity. And so worship leaders should only offer their best to their congregation for worship.</p> I agree with Pastor Mark here. Worship leaders that lead congregational worship today are sometimes leaning too hard on the new style of music out there and forgetting that it is about the worship, not the style. On top of that, writing your own music for your church is extremely helpful to the church body. When worship songs are written to fit a particular theme of the teaching that the lead pastor provides, the congregation can find it easier to worship and respond to the teaching they have just heard (or have been hearing). However, the quality of the song should be a good reflection of the creativity of God. It is not acceptable to spend very little time on writing a song, having it sound awful and have simple lyrics that turn out to be just another "prom song to Jesus". When you offer your art to the church it should be kept in mind that you are in fact reflecting a characteristic of God Almighty…creativity. And so worship leaders should only offer their best to their congregation for worship.

]]> By: AndPious http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-20259 AndPious Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:08:57 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-20259 <p>I definately think that if Dricoll's comment was meant to be offensive, it was totally, but for alot of the populus, he's right when it comes to the musical tastes of alot of the people not in churches. I know many people who would much rather sing the (very) simple "Ohohoh" routine that makes up the secular techno song "Zombie Nation" than sing anything played in alot of the churches around here in Houston, Texas. It's not that they don't have a heart to worship God, but they are not turned on at all by any that they hear. Many meet with God privately at home in their own atmosphere. I myself can only stand so much mainstream worship before I collapse, and it was only since my discovery of Andy Hunter that I was able to listen to some worthwhile techno/trance/house and get a Christian message at the same time.</p> <p>This is not to say that there aren't places for the prevalent forms of worship we see in churches today, as I also know a few men who would sing or hum those "prom songs" nonstop if given the chance...</p> <p>If I had my way, we'd have a special place at church for sword-dance worship. That's actually in Psalms, too! I absolutely love using the longsword, and visualize myself worshipping God with it in my hands as the songs play...</p> I definately think that if Dricoll’s comment was meant to be offensive, it was totally, but for alot of the populus, he’s right when it comes to the musical tastes of alot of the people not in churches. I know many people who would much rather sing the (very) simple “Ohohoh” routine that makes up the secular techno song “Zombie Nation” than sing anything played in alot of the churches around here in Houston, Texas. It’s not that they don’t have a heart to worship God, but they are not turned on at all by any that they hear. Many meet with God privately at home in their own atmosphere. I myself can only stand so much mainstream worship before I collapse, and it was only since my discovery of Andy Hunter that I was able to listen to some worthwhile techno/trance/house and get a Christian message at the same time.

This is not to say that there aren’t places for the prevalent forms of worship we see in churches today, as I also know a few men who would sing or hum those “prom songs” nonstop if given the chance…

If I had my way, we’d have a special place at church for sword-dance worship. That’s actually in Psalms, too! I absolutely love using the longsword, and visualize myself worshipping God with it in my hands as the songs play…

]]> By: blackthumb17 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-20255 blackthumb17 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:19:33 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-20255 <p>I do not mean to be offesive at all... But I will say this, I agree with Driscoll to a point. We have to see ourselves as "fishers of men", but all fishermen know you need different bait, for different fish... I am one who was brought to christ not by a gentle voice singing a love song on an acoustic guitar...but by a scream for joy on a distorted SG.. We are to be in the world and we are to spread the word, and personally I feel we should use everything we can. The Cookie Cutter stuff coming out of CCM is just that, and lacks any personality. Even established bands like jars of clay or Third Day are pushing and pushing trying to break through to an entire generation basically raised not knowing anything about church or god, but what they see at funerals and weddings. Wake up! We want people to listen to and enjoy this music we want it stuck in there heads and we want to use it to bring them closer to Jesus. As far as writing our own music I say ROCK ON!! think about where hymns will be in 20 years..... and be honest.</p> I do not mean to be offesive at all… But I will say this, I agree with Driscoll to a point. We have to see ourselves as “fishers of men”, but all fishermen know you need different bait, for different fish… I am one who was brought to christ not by a gentle voice singing a love song on an acoustic guitar…but by a scream for joy on a distorted SG.. We are to be in the world and we are to spread the word, and personally I feel we should use everything we can. The Cookie Cutter stuff coming out of CCM is just that, and lacks any personality. Even established bands like jars of clay or Third Day are pushing and pushing trying to break through to an entire generation basically raised not knowing anything about church or god, but what they see at funerals and weddings. Wake up! We want people to listen to and enjoy this music we want it stuck in there heads and we want to use it to bring them closer to Jesus. As far as writing our own music I say ROCK ON!! think about where hymns will be in 20 years….. and be honest.

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]]> By: Broken Hearted http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-15464 Broken Hearted Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:05:59 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-15464 <p>DanielR wrote: "I agree the characterization of “some effeminate guy on an acoustic guitar” is un-called for and out of line. But then, that’s nothing new from Mark. With Mark it’s 50/50 whether it was unintentionally or purposefully inflamatory, ignorance or attitude. You gotta take anything Mark says with a grain of salt..." What a sorry indictment.</p> DanielR wrote: “I agree the characterization of “some effeminate guy on an acoustic guitar” is un-called for and out of line. But then, that’s nothing new from Mark. With Mark it’s 50/50 whether it was unintentionally or purposefully inflamatory, ignorance or attitude. You gotta take anything Mark says with a grain of salt…” What a sorry indictment.

]]> By: Daniel Gonske http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-13809 Daniel Gonske Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:58:47 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-13809 <p>Guys, do not be dogmatic about this. Remember this: Titus 3:9 "avoid foolish controversies"</p> Guys, do not be dogmatic about this. Remember this: Titus 3:9 “avoid foolish controversies”

]]> By: randall http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-13633 randall Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:44:46 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-13633 <p>Mark has a good point. But I think it spills over to keyboard playing worship leaders too. Are we men? Are we women? I play acoustic guitar for God and I want to be happy at the end of worshipping the living, mighty God. Many "great" worship leaders make me want to stab myself during some of the choruses. How many times do we have to sing the same two lines in nasly voices before we can move on to the next song? It is not the Worship Leaders job to set a mood or manipulating peoples feelings or dimming the lights. It is his job to bring it real. Lead in worshipping God by facilitating edifying music that glorifies Jesus. Too many WL's make it into a performance or concert type of thing where the congregation occasionally gets to sing when the "praise team" is not soloing. Let the people lift there voices for God...not for them or you.</p> Mark has a good point. But I think it spills over to keyboard playing worship leaders too. Are we men? Are we women? I play acoustic guitar for God and I want to be happy at the end of worshipping the living, mighty God. Many “great” worship leaders make me want to stab myself during some of the choruses. How many times do we have to sing the same two lines in nasly voices before we can move on to the next song? It is not the Worship Leaders job to set a mood or manipulating peoples feelings or dimming the lights. It is his job to bring it real. Lead in worshipping God by facilitating edifying music that glorifies Jesus. Too many WL’s make it into a performance or concert type of thing where the congregation occasionally gets to sing when the “praise team” is not soloing. Let the people lift there voices for God…not for them or you.

]]> By: ryan http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-10879 ryan Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:30:45 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-10879 <p>"Okay, I admit to not being objective about this quote. But in my opinion, Mark Driscoll and this comment rocks! Although this is just one part of the issue, the style of worship music, worship lyrics, how many worship songs, how worship music is presented, what does the worship singer look like, how does the worship leader hold himself, etc. is one of the many reasons that men are bored stiff in church, why men are not challenged in church and why men are turned off and not coming to church. For churches to bury their head in the sand and say, “If men don’t like the music, then tough crap!” is the wrong answer. If we know that when a man comes to church, the family will follow, why aren’t we making churches a place that men feel welcome. I went to a church on Sunday that has made changes to target men. I not only saw a whole lot of strong men. I also saw a whole lot of happy women who love seeing men get excited and passionate about church.</p> <p>Mike Ellis"</p> <p>that's quite a statement there, mike. i am a worship leader, and i do play guitar, and i have long hair, and oh my gosh...i even have earrings! but guess what, mike...about 1100 people come to my church on Sunday morning, and you know what? about 50 percent of those are men! and a lot of the biggest compliments and thank you's that i recieve on a Sunday morning come from some of the most many men i've ever met, so i'm not quite sure where the assumption that churches are dying because "men" don't like the music comes from, because i sure don't see it happening.</p> <p>however, if i could, for one moment, turn your argument around, i would say that this incredibly narrow version of what makes a "man" is part of the reason that so many men's ministries miss out on attracting a large population of men (who, despite your definition of "man" are artistic, musical, writers, unathletic, and are still men in every sense of the word). why is it that all men's events and study materials have to feature sports analogies, we have to hear sermons from football coaches, etc? you're alienating a whole segment of the population, but i bet you don't think you need to change what you do. you'd rather the church change it's music to fit your idea of "manly." what do you suggest we do, dress in flannel and sing "the lumberjack song"?</p> <p>i know this comes across sounding harsh, but i just think we need to be careful about making assumptions that we know what all men should be like.</p> <p>by the way, i've read "wild at heart", and it was one of my favorite books, in terms of making me realize my place as a man, but it in no way made me feel like i needed to become a hunter, a sports fan, or a music hater, so where do we get off thinking that this is what a man is "supposed to be?" can someone enlighten me?</p> “Okay, I admit to not being objective about this quote. But in my opinion, Mark Driscoll and this comment rocks! Although this is just one part of the issue, the style of worship music, worship lyrics, how many worship songs, how worship music is presented, what does the worship singer look like, how does the worship leader hold himself, etc. is one of the many reasons that men are bored stiff in church, why men are not challenged in church and why men are turned off and not coming to church. For churches to bury their head in the sand and say, “If men don’t like the music, then tough crap!” is the wrong answer. If we know that when a man comes to church, the family will follow, why aren’t we making churches a place that men feel welcome. I went to a church on Sunday that has made changes to target men. I not only saw a whole lot of strong men. I also saw a whole lot of happy women who love seeing men get excited and passionate about church.

Mike Ellis”

that’s quite a statement there, mike. i am a worship leader, and i do play guitar, and i have long hair, and oh my gosh…i even have earrings! but guess what, mike…about 1100 people come to my church on Sunday morning, and you know what? about 50 percent of those are men! and a lot of the biggest compliments and thank you’s that i recieve on a Sunday morning come from some of the most many men i’ve ever met, so i’m not quite sure where the assumption that churches are dying because “men” don’t like the music comes from, because i sure don’t see it happening.

however, if i could, for one moment, turn your argument around, i would say that this incredibly narrow version of what makes a “man” is part of the reason that so many men’s ministries miss out on attracting a large population of men (who, despite your definition of “man” are artistic, musical, writers, unathletic, and are still men in every sense of the word). why is it that all men’s events and study materials have to feature sports analogies, we have to hear sermons from football coaches, etc? you’re alienating a whole segment of the population, but i bet you don’t think you need to change what you do. you’d rather the church change it’s music to fit your idea of “manly.” what do you suggest we do, dress in flannel and sing “the lumberjack song”?

i know this comes across sounding harsh, but i just think we need to be careful about making assumptions that we know what all men should be like.

by the way, i’ve read “wild at heart”, and it was one of my favorite books, in terms of making me realize my place as a man, but it in no way made me feel like i needed to become a hunter, a sports fan, or a music hater, so where do we get off thinking that this is what a man is “supposed to be?” can someone enlighten me?

]]> By: Mike http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/comment-page-1/#comment-10015 Mike Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:03:17 +0000 http://www.rockworship.com/song-writing/mark-driscoll-on-the-future-of-worship-music/#comment-10015 <p>Patty Marine's comments above strike a chord (nice pun) with me. Maybe someone (Doc?) can come along and define what a 'manly' worship service looks like in terms of song choice, style, anything at all? By the way, the chest beaters here must 'hate' Keith Green and his songs like 'Oh Lord, you're beatiful'.</p> Patty Marine’s comments above strike a chord (nice pun) with me. Maybe someone (Doc?) can come along and define what a ‘manly’ worship service looks like in terms of song choice, style, anything at all? By the way, the chest beaters here must ‘hate’ Keith Green and his songs like ‘Oh Lord, you’re beatiful’.

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